Posts by raymond frantz

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Revelation chapter 19

by Crazyguy in

chapter 19 of revelation states more then once that the great crowd, great multitude are in heaven.

so what lame excuse does the wt use to explain away this obvious contradiction of what they teach?.

raymond frantz

It's being covered extensivly many times before ,just type in the SEARCH box :Great crowd

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Numbers don't lie :The End of JESUS...

by raymond frantz in

(1john2:22,23)who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that jesus is the christ?

this is the antichrist, the one that denies the father and the son.

23 everyone that denies the son does not have the father either.

APOLOGY : Hi guys ,I would like to apologise for the figures .When I did the research yesterday I used these numbers from the 2011 cd .When I checked again today on the 2012 cd I got different figures.Again may apologies I will get to the bottom of it and be more careful next time when I post things here .It was not done with the intention to misinform .Many thanks for pointing out the mistake

On a second note ,we all now how much the WT loves Jesus

No Jesus

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Numbers don't lie :The End of JESUS...

by raymond frantz in

(1john2:22,23)who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that jesus is the christ?

this is the antichrist, the one that denies the father and the son.

23 everyone that denies the son does not have the father either.

raymond frantz

(1John2:22,23)Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either. He that confesses the Son has the Father also.

(2 John 9-11) "Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."

You can't have the Father without the Son .In fact it is so serious to promote a religion based solely upon the Father completely ignoring the SOn that Apostle John warned never to receive such a man nor say a greeting to him .The REAL APOSTATES of the Watchtower , the "governing body " promotes such a religion .Numbers don't lie.A search on the Watchtowers from 1950-2011 shows that the Watchtower is working hard to remove Jesus' name from the hearts and minds of average Jehovah's Witnesses .They are truly turning Jehovah's Witnesses in to a cult

The following two two diagrams are based on Average Yearly Apperance of the Name Jesus & Jehovah from 1950-2011 in the Watchtower

Notice the name Jehovah fluctuates 2250-3050 for the past 62 years BUT the name Jesus is disappearing STEADILY from over 1500 a year in the early 50's to a SHOCKING 444 mentions in 2011 !!! They have well and truly replaced Jesus substituting him in the position of power with themselves .ANTI-CHRIST!!!

http://new-jw.org/all/the+end+of+Jesus

My Mission

by raymond frantz in

my mission.

i've being here for over a year guys and it has definetely been a journey .i treat now jwn as the jw wikipedia ,any subject you want to research is under the search section with comments and analysis from members of the like that no watchtower magazine ever produced .although many of us are fully awake i believe that 99% of the average jw is completely unaware of the main issues and unable to make any informed decision about his/her faith .every day around the world millions of jw's make life altering decisions about education ,schooling, finding a mate ,employment and other personal decisions based on limited information about their faith .information control imposed upon them from the megalomaniacs of brooklyn new york .i see young men and women dropping education for the shake of preaching a false gospel and it breaks my heart .. many decided to create groups like the awaa to take on the watchtower but it feels we've been here before .structure ,organization , following orders.... i believe we can be a one man army .i believe we can individually help more jws faster more effectively if we concetrate in our own geographical area rather than trying to take on a billion dollar corporation with conventional methods that have been created for the purpose of sheilding large organizations .. i don't want the fall of the watchtower society ,it isn't within my grasp for many reasons .organised religion will be brought to an end by god ,it is a prophesy.also as gamaliel wisely said in response to the religious leaders of sahendrin :" do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from god, you will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, you may perhaps be found fighters actually against god.

"(acts 5:38,39).

raymond frantz

My Mission

I've being here for over a year guys and it has definetely been a journey .I treat now JWN as the JW wikipedia ,any subject you want to research is under the SEARCH section with comments and analysis from members of the like that no Watchtower magazine ever produced .Although many of us are fully awake I believe that 99% of the average JW is completely unaware of the main issues and unable to make any informed decision about his/her faith .Every day around the world millions of JW's make life altering decisions about education ,schooling, finding a mate ,employment and other personal decisions based on limited information about their faith .Information control imposed upon them from the megalomaniacs of Brooklyn New York .I see young men and women dropping education for the shake of preaching a false Gospel and it breaks my heart .

Many decided to create groups like the AWAA to take on the Watchtower but it feels we've been here before .Structure ,organization , following orders...

I believe we can be a one man army .I believe we can individually help more JWs faster more effectively if we concetrate in our own geographical area rather than trying to take on a billion dollar corporation with conventional methods that have been created for the purpose of sheilding large organizations .

I don't want the fall of the Watchtower Society ,it isn't within my grasp for many reasons .Organised religion will be brought to an end by God ,it is a prophesy.Also as Gamaliel wisely said in response to the religious leaders of Sahendrin :" Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, YOU will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God."(Acts 5:38,39)

That doesn't mean though that you resign from your obligation to expose the lies and tell the truth .That doesn't free you from the rtesponsibility to warn others and offer them the information denied to them by Brooklyn .

This is what I have to offer .I design websites based on Wordpress .Anyone who wants to run a website and wants to help Witnesses in his area I will help them get their website and let them run it at minimal cost.The website will be in the style of www.new-jw.org .You can have a website such as this free ,all you help me pay is hosting and google :

Domain name
Hosting
Google SEO (I pay for your website to appear on your area,that includes 3 localities ,your website will appear on Google's website when someone types i.e.Jehovah's Witnesses Oclahoma).That can be done for 3 different areas
Mobile integration ,your website will be responsive ,easily accesible from mobile devices
Contact pop form on the front page
Tel number icon when someone access the website via mobile
Support and Update articles

As I said I do that in my spare time as I think that this will make a difference in the JWs of your area and you can be a source of information for your brothers and sisters .You don't need a large organisation to run this ,you can do it all by yourself

I will be posting this offer from time to time ,this way more can see it and take it on

If you have any questions please let me know ,or PM and I will reply within 24 hours

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How to treat Bible prophesies

by raymond frantz in

hi guys i'm writing a new article for my website about prophesies ,please let me know what you think and give me some feedback .the page is dedicated to prophesy interpretation from ex-jehovah's witnesses that don't agree with the interpretation of the watchtower http://new-jw.org/prophesies/.

"there is a fine line between interpreting prophesy and imposing this interpretation upon others as a doctrine.

a true christian who is faithful and discreet should never attempt to cross this line .the word of god provides with guidelines on how to treat prophesy .paul in 1 thessalonians 5:20 warns us "do not treat prophesyings with contempt.".

raymond frantz

thanks able bodied man ,good sugestions

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How to treat Bible prophesies

by raymond frantz in

hi guys i'm writing a new article for my website about prophesies ,please let me know what you think and give me some feedback .the page is dedicated to prophesy interpretation from ex-jehovah's witnesses that don't agree with the interpretation of the watchtower http://new-jw.org/prophesies/.

"there is a fine line between interpreting prophesy and imposing this interpretation upon others as a doctrine.

a true christian who is faithful and discreet should never attempt to cross this line .the word of god provides with guidelines on how to treat prophesy .paul in 1 thessalonians 5:20 warns us "do not treat prophesyings with contempt.".

raymond frantz

My aim is not to explain the 70 weeks but to introduce a list of prophesies that have been given a different interpretation from that of The Watchtower's .The list will be in a similar format to the one presented here http://new-jw.org/index/

These prophesy interpratations will be taken from posts in this website that have been considered in the past and from other "apostate" websites

Also what do you think is a top 10 list of prophesies need reconsidering and why ?

Many thanks

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How to treat Bible prophesies

by raymond frantz in

hi guys i'm writing a new article for my website about prophesies ,please let me know what you think and give me some feedback .the page is dedicated to prophesy interpretation from ex-jehovah's witnesses that don't agree with the interpretation of the watchtower http://new-jw.org/prophesies/.

"there is a fine line between interpreting prophesy and imposing this interpretation upon others as a doctrine.

a true christian who is faithful and discreet should never attempt to cross this line .the word of god provides with guidelines on how to treat prophesy .paul in 1 thessalonians 5:20 warns us "do not treat prophesyings with contempt.".

raymond frantz

Hi guys I'm writing a new article for my website about prophesies ,please let me know what you think and give me some feedback .The page is dedicated to prophesy interpretation from ex-Jehovah's Witnesses that don't agree with the interpretation of the Watchtower http://new-jw.org/prophesies/

"There is a fine line between interpreting prophesy and imposing this interpretation upon others as a doctrine. A true Christian who is faithful and discreet should never attempt to cross this line .The word of God provides with guidelines on how to treat prophesy .Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:20 warns us "Do not treat prophesyings with contempt."

Instead we should look at the prophetic Word as a "lamp shining in a dark place" as (2 Peter 1:19-21) reads : "Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and YOU are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in YOUR hearts. 20 For YOU know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit."

The way the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses has always tried to interpret prophesy and then tried to impose this interpretation to it's members is truly remarkable and shows lack of discretion and haughtiness that has always displayed .On the other hand ,faithful men of the Bible treated prophesy as an opportunity to seek Jehovah's direction and no matter their interpretation never imposed it upon their brothers .Remember Daniel's example when he finally understood the prophesy of the "70 weeks" .In Daniel 9:2 we read that Daniel discerned the true meaning of Jeremiah's prophesy of the 70 weeks:" in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years." So he proceeded to pray and entreat Jehovah and pray on the behalf of his brothers :" And I proceeded to set my face to Jehovah the [true] God, in order to seek [him] with prayer and with entreaties, with fasting and sackcloth and ashes."(Daniel 9:4)

Please treat the interpretation of the prophesies below in the same manner ..."

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

raymond frantz

Justlookingfor now you might want to consider the following statement from the Revelation book that leaves no room for respect or minimal partcipation:

"The UN does not have the answers. And why? Because the Giver of life to all mankind is not the UN's life-giver. Its life span will be short, for according to God's decree, "it is to go off into destruction." The UN's founders and admirers do not have their names recorded in God's scroll of life. How could sinful, mortal men, many of whom mock God's name, achieve through the UN what Jehovah God has declared he is about to accomplish, not by human means, but through the Kingdom of his Christ?-Daniel 7:27; Revelation 11:15.

9 The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ-to whose princely rule there will be no end. (Isaiah 9:6, 7) Even if the UN were to patch up some temporary peace, wars would soon erupt again. This is in the nature of sinful men. "Their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world." Jehovah's Kingdom by Christ will not only establish eternal peace on earth but, on the basis of Jesus' ransom sacrifice, raise the dead, the righteous and the unrighteous who are in God's memory. (John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15) This includes everyone who has remained steadfast despite the attacks of Satan and his seed, and others who have yet to show themselves obedient. Obviously, God's scroll of life will never contain the names of die-hard adherents of Babylon the Great or of any who continued to worship the wild beast.-Exodus 32:33; Psalm 86:8-10; John 17:3; Revelation 16:2; 17:5."

(Revelation book ,chapter 34,pp248-249, pars 8-9)

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Dear Delusional Vast Apostate Army!!!

by raymond frantz in

i received the folowing comment in oone of my videos from batmatrixreality7 .

the ministry of love.

dear delusional vast apostate army!!

raymond frantz

I received the folowing comment in oone of my videos from Batmatrixreality7

The ministry of love

Dear Delusional Vast Apostate Army!!!by Batmatrixreality7

http://pastorrussell.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/seeing-onself-as-victim-denied.htmlApostates generally take their course of action because they believe free thought is being suppressed, hence they feel a "crisis of conscience."

However, truth be told, their complaint is not really one of suppression, but one of inclusion. When THEIR views are rejected, they often lash out. When someone dares to question them at some point in time, accusations are hurled about. What it really comes down to is not free thought after all, but only THEIR thought. Only they can be right! They are just as exclusionary as the group they have left. They SAY they want their readers to "draw his or her own conclusions" but they do this in the same breath as accusing the other side of the argument of "deception." [Carl Olof Jonnson's Gentile Times Reconsidered] Hence, there is no room for another conclusion. The line has been drawn. The apostates has the reader thinking his is the only enlightened view, and the other conclusion we can draw is mired in deception and lies. As a result of seeing oneself as a victim denied, there can occur a powerful drive toward disaffection and apostasy. As is almost inevitably the case, there is a great need on the part of a leave-taker to validate their oppositional stance, and the victim-victimize scenario greatly assists a person in justifying their course of action. Blame shifting may therefore temporarily relieve a person of accountability, but it will only succeed in sanctioning a person's actions so long as their position is given greater exposure over that of their (former) religious fraternity. Thus, the importance placed upon maintaining a heightened level of awareness toward the apostate's unique view works to reinforce the reasons for their departure by maintaining the consequences of blame and continuing to? scrutinize it in the object of hostility. It is not difficult to see then why an apostate so adamantly rejects information that contradicts the typecast that they have worked so hard to establish. All who cut loose from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and its work, instead of prospering themselves or up-building others in the faith and in the graces of the spirit, seemingly do the reverse-attempt injury to the Cause they once served, and, with more or less noise, gradually sink into oblivion, harming only themselves and others possessed of a similarly contentious spirit. . . . If some think that they can get as good or better provender at other tables, or that they can produce as good or better themselves-let these take their course. . . . But while we are willing that others should go anywhere and everywhere to find food and light to their satisfaction, strange to say, those who become our opponents take a very different course. Instead of saying in the manly fashion of the world, 'I have found something which I prefer; goodbye!' these manifest anger, malice, hatred, strife, 'works of the flesh and of the devil' such as we have never known worldly people to exhibit. They seem inoculated with madness, Satanic hydrophobia [rabies]. Some of them smite us and then claim that we did the smiting. They are ready to say and write contemptible falsities and to stoop to do meanness." delusional

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Many thanks for your comment .The way I see it is this : Jehovah has given me and you a mind to use ,he expects nothing less than a "worship based in reason" .If you don't like any of the ever changing doctrines of the GB ,you will be dragged in a judicial committee ,branded an apostate and then disfellowshiped .Then with the power of false love and suggestion they will turn your family against you as you are now an evil apostate .On the other hand Jesus tolerated different views and when many of his followers couldn't understand him he let them go ,didn't shun them ,didn't instruct thei families to avoid them .Stop worshiping and idol ,these men are anointed because they say so ,no proof what so ever .When Jehovah instructed Moses to go to the Israelites in his name ,Moses asked the obvious :" However, Moses in answering said: "But suppose they do not believe me and do not listen to my voice, because they are going to say, 'Jehovah did not appear to you.'" 2 Then Jehovah gave him signs to perform " They are no gods ,I didn't elect them ,Jesus never chose them and I'm against them .If that makes an apostate so be it .Last thing : An apostate will allow comments in his channel such as this one ,on the other hand you being indoctrinated and in fear that someone might burst your bubble have the comments turned off.Wake up brother ,Jehovah doesn't need mindless followers ONLY thinking humans .I hope you find the truth one day ,I really do .Christian love ,Raymond...

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10 Hottest Issues about Jehovah's Witnesses-Your Opinion Please

by raymond frantz in

hi guys ,i'm currently updating my website (www.new-jw.org) and would like to build a page with the 10 hottest issues about jehovah's witnesses .i'm still a believer therefore i would like to concetrate most on doctrines and less on policies.

i build a list below, please tell me what you think ,your feedback is much appreciated :.

united nations affiliationbaptised in the name of an organizationmemorial ,jesus' sacrifice denial mealblood idolization of the governing body 1914pedophilia casesjesus is not your mediatorharsh disfellowshiping policycounter productive witnessing of the good news

raymond frantz

good remark ,the target audience is awakening Jw's and sleeping ones...